tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post2124800619322983584..comments2024-03-18T00:03:11.385+01:00Comments on Football rankings: FIFA ranking: July 2018 probable ranking (new method)Edhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06640136267487836463noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-62722369492034598442018-07-25T16:12:36.461+02:002018-07-25T16:12:36.461+02:00In an elo-system there is no longer any devaluatio...In an elo-system there is no longer any devaluation of past points. The only thing of huge influence is the determination of the starting value for each team, for which I have taken the June ranking points of each team. <br />And because these are starting values to calculate the points-to-exchange in each match played from June 4th onwards, these values can't be 'discounted' July Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06640136267487836463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-13992958657884442902018-07-25T15:52:07.266+02:002018-07-25T15:52:07.266+02:00You forgot to subtract the points earned at the pr...You forgot to subtract the points earned at the previous world cup, which is explained in the M-48 methodology on fifa website (only last 48 months are taken into account, appropriately discounted for every 12 months). you therefore need to subtract the discounted by 80 % points earned back then, as the sunset horizon moved since previous rankings from june 2018 to july 2018. otherwise it is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-26874367386666750622018-07-16T16:24:51.786+02:002018-07-16T16:24:51.786+02:00I hope that the new ranking will be like this: Fra...I hope that the new ranking will be like this: France, Belgium, Brazil, Croatia, England, Uruguay. Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Colombia, Sweden, Argentina and Poland the top 15Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18244765068969638768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-56363813804731996192018-07-16T08:40:18.306+02:002018-07-16T08:40:18.306+02:00The new system is horrible. I know it has its fans...The new system is horrible. I know it has its fans here but the very fact that a team like Germany can be number 1 right after the World Cup is nothing but ridiculous. I'm sure alot of people will have a good laugh when the new rankings are published.Soccer-DB.infohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146726066676457448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-21213715371604366102018-07-16T05:02:49.050+02:002018-07-16T05:02:49.050+02:00Can anyone list full ranking of July?Can anyone list full ranking of July?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-26669748522377080792018-07-16T04:47:05.474+02:002018-07-16T04:47:05.474+02:00I'm assuming this is using the "old"...I'm assuming this is using the "old" formula?Codynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-72209780420592659182018-07-16T01:30:04.193+02:002018-07-16T01:30:04.193+02:00ThanksThanksAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18244765068969638768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-17475111133055357482018-07-16T01:00:07.507+02:002018-07-16T01:00:07.507+02:001. France, 2. Belgium, 3. Croatia.1. France, 2. Belgium, 3. Croatia.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422739082254073127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-5337139161443209052018-07-16T00:40:51.803+02:002018-07-16T00:40:51.803+02:00What will be Croatia's position in the new ran...What will be Croatia's position in the new ranking?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18244765068969638768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-6856058764904504132018-07-12T12:07:33.535+02:002018-07-12T12:07:33.535+02:00Excuse me if I not mistaken, Argentina, Colombia a...Excuse me if I not mistaken, Argentina, Colombia and Mexico had already eliminated in Round of 16 while Brazil, Russia, Sweden and Uruguay eliminated in quarter-finals...but the results from group stage aren't updated...why do this happen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-57323304406848770572018-07-12T01:14:42.979+02:002018-07-12T01:14:42.979+02:00seems very biased for "favorites". Basic...seems very biased for "favorites". Basically doesn't matter how you play - if you were ranked low you'll stay there unregarding your results in, for instance, the World Cup. But if you're Brazil or Germany you'll still be flying high, even if you lose big time. Sure, ranking will change very slowly but for this you'll really need to become a consistent "favoriteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-41616555282469419222018-07-11T05:33:26.537+02:002018-07-11T05:33:26.537+02:00I get the same thing (within a few hundredths roun...I get the same thing (within a few hundredths rounding error). Now we just need to wait an see what FIFA does. If they use the existing points, people will laugh when Germany remains #1 and a World Cup finalist England or Croatia struggle to crack the top 10.Codynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-56304161830420265622018-07-10T21:52:05.599+02:002018-07-10T21:52:05.599+02:00If FIFA use the new ranking method, I make it 956....If FIFA use the new ranking method, I make it 956.93, 19th place, up 5 places, just below Mexico, Colombia, and the Netherlands.Homerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346782643859833624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-88305076450999464182018-07-09T20:37:28.825+02:002018-07-09T20:37:28.825+02:00How many points will Sweden have now? And what wil...How many points will Sweden have now? And what will be their probable ranking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-10117176840682382592018-07-08T10:40:05.882+02:002018-07-08T10:40:05.882+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18006175897548083929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-86144856234901923862018-07-08T10:10:40.423+02:002018-07-08T10:10:40.423+02:00Brazil's elimination in the quarter-finals mea...Brazil's elimination in the quarter-finals means that no one can pass Germany for 1st in the July ranking if I've done my math correctly and if the new ranking system uses the unmodified June ranking points as its starting values.<br /><br />The second "if" has to be a very big "if" now. It'd be absurd for Germany to still be 1st. Perhaps FIFA will choose the Timoteusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-48784559407098313332018-07-05T20:13:01.306+02:002018-07-05T20:13:01.306+02:00It depends if FIFA is using the old formula or the...It depends if FIFA is using the old formula or the new formula during the World Cup.<br /><br />If it's the new formula, I have Malaysia gaining 2.5 points for a new total of 95.6.<br /><br />Codynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-62720137285562447032018-07-05T19:35:27.776+02:002018-07-05T19:35:27.776+02:00Malaysia beat Fiji 1-0 in a friendly game...how mu...Malaysia beat Fiji 1-0 in a friendly game...how much could be the possible points for Malaysia?Kim Luqman Azizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14233069498249385548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-30453933020140102822018-07-02T23:08:30.041+02:002018-07-02T23:08:30.041+02:00There is something biased in ELO calculation.
If B...There is something biased in ELO calculation.<br />If Brazil #2 win all remaining matchs on penalties they will lose points each time and will finish with less points than last month !<br />There should be some bonus points when you reach quarter, semis or final of that biggest event which occurs only once in 4 years ! tchobellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092736568449410847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-1724125758134151032018-07-02T03:32:46.384+02:002018-07-02T03:32:46.384+02:00According to FIFA teams will keep their ranking po...According to FIFA teams will keep their ranking position but the document says nothing about their points total. Maybe points totals will be adjusted but then FIFA should have included that bit of info in the document (along with the start date).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-68752795762271762572018-07-01T20:12:31.693+02:002018-07-01T20:12:31.693+02:00Ed -- A strict reading would make you correct. It...Ed -- A strict reading would make you correct. It seems like a "bug" in the formula if can you lose rankings points for a PSO loss but not for an ET loss. <br /><br />As you've said though, we'll find out on July 17.Codynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-89291988076647922632018-07-01T19:56:57.218+02:002018-07-01T19:56:57.218+02:00I think they deliberately picked June's rankin...I think they deliberately picked June's rankings to start the new formula for that very reason. The month before the World Cup are when the rankings are the closest together which is generally what you want in an Elo system. We could probably argue the rankings are too spread out as it stands, but they're certainly much closer than if we waited until July.Codynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-91358730728283950492018-07-01T19:45:47.786+02:002018-07-01T19:45:47.786+02:00Maybe FIFA will wait one more month. Afaik they di...Maybe FIFA will wait one more month. Afaik they didn't mention a startdate for the new method and at the moment WC2014 results aren't well-represented in the (June) ranking while WC2018 would be in the July ranking if they keep the old method for one more month.<br /><br />Also, Croatia are 5th now, using the old method.<br /><br /><br />http://www.numericalcio.it/ranking-fifa/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-25265401712213705122018-07-01T19:43:53.082+02:002018-07-01T19:43:53.082+02:00Oh, and about Spain's zero points loss. I read...Oh, and about Spain's zero points loss. I read in the calculation document "losses in the knock-out rounds of final competitions will not result in point deductions for the losing team". If they approach this the elo-way this isn't a loss for Spain but a draw, so points should be deducted. <br />But also this aspect we can only verify when the next ranking is published.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06640136267487836463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1631997616728141521.post-70688636979054765312018-07-01T19:40:01.960+02:002018-07-01T19:40:01.960+02:00I can only say that in classic elo a draw after ex...I can only say that in classic elo a draw after extra time counts as the end result for both teams. It is yet unknown what FIFA decides to do with these situations.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06640136267487836463noreply@blogger.com